Everything You've Ever Wanted to Know About Being the First Lady, on This Week's "Work Wives" Podcast

A few reasons to listen to this week's installment of the Glamour' podcast "Work Wives": You'll hear Glamour's digital editorial director Laurel Pinson and senior executive digital director Annie Fox debate whether they're a Michelle or a Melania fan, and also admit what their secret service code names might be (spoiler alert: "Fudgy The Whale" and "C-nt" aren't out of the question.) You'll also hear Laurel and Annie chat with Kate Anderson Brower, author of "First Women: The Grace and Power of America's Modern First Ladies" who schooled them both in the rich history of women in the East Wing.

You'll hear Brower talk about the first First Lady, Harriet Lane who was the niece of President Buchanan, our only bachelor POTUS. "She was young and beautiful and hosted parties," said Brower, who added that the press called her the "first lady of the land." This was in the mid-19th century, and the name has stuck around.

You'll also learn why Abraham Lincoln's wife Mary Todd was sometimes called "Mrs. President" (spoiler: because she had such sway with her husband that "she helped, almost like Nancy Reagan, decide who was in his cabinet and who was surrounding him," said Brower.)

We'll also cover why being a FLOTUS might not be a gig that lives up to its reputation. "It's a really anachronistic, old-fashioned job," said Brower, a point that couldn't be more perfect to segway into our next point: outgoing and incoming first ladies.

Who knew Michelle Obama "wasn't that thrilled about it...she had to give up a very high-paying job; she made more money than Barack did," said Brower, who added that Melania Trump is a tradition-buster in her own way, thanks to her plans to stay put in New York — at least in the early days of her husband's presidency — and potentially relinquish some typical duties to First Daughter (elect, yes, we know) Ivanka Trump.

For all that and more — including a secret First Lady White House tradition — listen to the "First Ladies of the Land" episode of the Glamour podcast "Work Wives" right now, then be sure to pick up a copy of Brower's "First Women: The Grace and Power of America's Modern First Ladies."

Watch the podcast episode here.

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